This wednesday marks the 24th anniversary of the Narrow Water attack at Warrenpoint, County Down.

"13 dead but not forgotten, we got 18 and Mountbatten."

They should continue to attack British Army facilities and so on: just as in America, the British people doesn't like seeing their soldiers/sons return in coffins. And what's the result of that? Occupying forces are forced to yield more to their opponent. Keep troubling Mr. AverageBrit with N.-Ireland and the British government will start to give in, just to please Mr. AverageBrit.

Look at the appauling situation now:
- IRA calls a cease-fire to please Blair so they can start to negotiate...
- Blair refuses and wants IRA to decommission: only then negociations will start;
- IRA starts to decommission, still Blair isn't happy!
- So Blair says: dismantle IRA.
- Blablablabla....
So I say (and so should the whole IRA): Fuck your decommissioning, fuck your dismanteling AND fuck your shitin' negotiations.
Everybody knows Blair's a lying cunning little bastard! (Even his own people now!)

So start decommissioning and dismantling the British Army: by blowing the whole bunch up! :angry:

Let the IRA be what it is: an Irish people's Army, not a blasted workgroup chatting happily with the Brits. You can't talk with 'em: ye can only listen to their lies, bribing and "how bad the other RA's are" Divide et conquere! Respond by letting them see your footsole close! Or in case ye can't stretch 'em that far: between the legs will do fine too I think :D

P.S. Best method to beat your enemy is by using his own method against him!

Hope I didn't break the rules Bjorn?! :rolleyes:
Did some good though... If you don't like it to be in Speaker's corner, move it...

Christophe ye rebel! This should be for politics, and well you know it!

So I amn't gonna add anything.

But just to say that the "Best method to beat your enemy is by using his own method against him" is a load of bollox in our case, and always has been. Last time we tried that was 1916, and what a massacre that was. An honourable, worthwhile and admirable massacre, but a bloody massacre of �ire's finest nonetheless.

Sl�n

It's OK

The armed resistance has always been a hotly debated issue in the Republican circles, even before the Sticky-Provo split. Back then the majority thought armed struggle was the only way to drive the Brits off, and they were right. Thus was born the concept of "the Long War". Now however, we've seen that armed struggle only invariably alienates the Irish people from the Cause and ends up killing civilians (like in Omagh). As much as I hate to admit it, the time for armed struggle is over and it's time to sit down and negotiate. Having said that, all this talk about decommissioning or disbanding the RA is just crazy talk. An Undefeated Army does not surrender its weapons to the invader, never has and never will. Not another bullet, not another ounce. The peace talks can only proceed on the grounds that there is a secret army, a Green army in Ireland, ready to carry on fighting if need be, but ready to negotiate.

The future of Ireland lies with SF, not R/CIRA. Stand down, dump arms. For now.

Sure I do not mean fighting their army: Ireland simply can't beat them in numbers and in force. What I do mean mean is: psycological and political warfare...

I think neither IRA, CIRA, RIRA or INLA, etc. should give in weapons, but they should try to stay united (or unite in case of INLA). Now the political ideas of the groups should be on the background: their first objective is getting the Brits out, so why shouldn't they unite on that? I know their approach on things is some kind different, but that doesn't matter much in this case... Negotiating when time to negotiate all right, but not with those huge conditions: these are not fair negotiations... But alas, that's not something new on the horizon, is it?

Ah well, keep up faith, anyway you turn it, at the end their will be Sao�rse.

Myself

Couldn't leave it correcting little mistake: At the end there will be Sao�rse, of course!

SAO�RSE! :wub:

gnagnagnagnagnagna
cr�tin va !

Slan go foill

My apologies if it sounds like Charlotte is Bashing Noel. I deleted a post from someone who was not following the rules of this forum above Charlottes last post. In reality Charlotte and Noel are good friends.

Quote Noel: I agree with you on the unite bit,but it is just not possible at the moment, to many foul words have been said by each paramilitary for that to happen overnight..However we could beat them we could take them on, with force i believe it could be done....


That's just what I mean! They should forget about their personal quarrels for a moment and concentrate on the ONE thing they all agree on: plain and simply BRITS OUT...
They can have a good fight afterwards, if that releaves them...
Settle first the score of the Brits, the own little (or huge...) problems can wait a bit...
The Irish Republican movement would be way more effective then!

SAO�RSE!!!

I THOUGHT THAT THIS MAKES AN INTERESTING READ. SO DOES THE SITE.

JUST TO SEE THE OTHERSIDES POINT OF VIEW.

LAN

Gerry Adams would you trust him?????

Gerry Adams' aim and the aim of the SinnFein/IRA is to force the Ulster Protestant majority of the North under the domination of the South of Ireland. It is of no great moment to him whether this is achieved by means of murder, maiming, indiscriminate terrorism propaganda or by sitting around a table with the likes of Tony Blair.

The world and the USA must take into account this mans past and his political objectives when they listen to his answers in the USA. He is a compulsive liar and that has been proved many a time, he will not answer any question which will in his eyes harm the SinnFein/IRA movement.

So who is Gerry Adams??????

When the IRA/Provisional IRA split occurred in 1970 Adams went with the more violent and extreme Provos'.

In May 1971 he became commander of the 2nd Battalion, Belfast Brigade.
In the following 12 months the battalion murdered 49 people.

In July 1972 he was involved in the planning of "Bloody Friday" when 21 bombs exploded in Belfast City Centre, killing 9 people. The injured were -77 women and girls and 53 men and boys.

Shortly afterwards he wrote out what has clearly been his strategy ever since:

"Rightly or wrongly I am an IRA volunteer. The course I take involves the use of physical force. It means fighting. Maybe I won't fight again. But it still needs to be said because I will move aside for the fighters".

And that is precisely what has happened. Gerry Adams' aim and the aim of the IRA is the enforced union of the North under the domination of the South of Ireland.

It is of no great moment to him whether this is achieved by means of murder, maiming, indiscriminate terrorism or by sitting around a table with the likes of Tony Blair.

For Gerry Adams such talks are only of use if they move towards this union of Ireland and thus ignore the wishes of the majority of people in Ulster.

If this is the case, then what purpose do such talks serve for our political leaders. The only answer is that they pave the way for a sell out of that part of the United Kingdom and the betrayal of the Ulster peoples of Northern Ireland.

The setting up of these talks and the efforts to include Gerry Adams in the discussions is treachery on a grand scale even by the standards of previous British governments.

Of all the hideous and blood thirsty atrocities carried out by the bloodthirsty fiends of Sinn Fein IRA in the name of so called Irish Freedom, the murder of Mrs Jean McConville must rate as one of the most bloodcurdling tales to emerge from over 30 years of terror.

Danny Morrison, once famously asked "who can object if we [Sinn Fein IRA] take control in Ireland with an armalite rifle in one hand, and a ballot box in the other?".

This led to the twin-track strategy of relentless terrorism, and contesting elections (albeit with the assistance of widespread intimidation and vote impersonation).

The tragic tale of Jean McConville, executed on the command of Gerry Adams, the psychotic Sinn Fein IRA godfather............................

The execution of Jean McConville Beaten up and killed for one simple act of charity. You might imagine that she had suffered enough. She was 37 and her husband Arthur had died from cancer just 10 months earlier. Her eldest daughter was in Muckamore Abbey (a home for the mentally retarded), and her eldest son Robert, 17, was interned on the prison ship Maidstone, suspected of involvement with Sinn Fein IRA.

Jean McConville was 20 when she first met Arthur in Belfast. It was not a time of plenty, but it was a time of peace. He was Catholic, a British Army squaddie. She was a Protestant girl from working-class East Belfast. She changed her religion and began producing children. In early 1973, when the world first heard about Jean McConville, her daughter Anne was 19; Robert, the internee, was 17; Arthur was 16; Helen was 15; Agnes 13; Micky 11; Thomas 8; Suzanne 7; Billy and Jim, the twins, were six years old.


But some people are never satisfied. Certainly not the bitter men of `B' Company. Shortly after Helen left eight men and four women descended on the house. ``They dragged her from the bathroom. They said they were only taking her for a few hours. My elder brother Arthur followed them down to a waiting car. One of the men pulled a gun and put it to his head and told him to f**k off,'' says Helen.

They had been wearing masks, but they took them off outside. Arthur knew who some of them were, but he has never said who and he never will, or the same might happen to him.''

For years after that, Helen would pass one of the women almost every day, but their gazes never met. The kids waited for their mother to come home and Helen took charge of the household. They were afraid to report her missing to the RUC, so Christmas 1972 came and went.

Their granny, Mary McConville, 68, came over from her house in Collingswood Walk to help out. They scraped together a few presents but it was a cold and lonely Christmas without a mother, abandoned by the community.

What happened to Jean McConville? She was taken to a house in the Beechmount area of Belfast for what Sinn Fein IRA call "interrogation". The brave "freedom fighters" put a plastic bag over the head of the Roman Catholic mother of 14 and began to question her.

She suffered terribly until the last breath was squeezed out of her sad life. Some time after Christmas, a man called to the McConvilles' house. He had their mother's purse, with just her three rings inside it.

He told them that he knew nothing about her, that he had just been asked to return it. That was all they had left of their mother. On January 17, 1973, with the family at the end of their tether, the young McConvilles went to the Northern Ireland Civil Rights Association for help.

The next day the story was in the newspapers under the heading: `Return mother, family of 10 plead'. It makes heart-rending reading today. The IRA had murdered Jean McConville and now, in prolonging the McConvilles' agony by withholding her body, they were showing that they could control the lives and destiny of anyone who crossed them.

Terrorism in its purest form. ``We daren't tell the police, because you don't do things like that around here. If we knew where to look for her, we would. No-one tells us anything,'' the then 15-year-old Helen told reporters.

But the killers had further evil intent in store for the McConvilles. The following day ``reliable sources'' in Belfast told the papers that Jean McConville was ``alive and well and living in Britain''. That report (January 19, 1973) said she had been released by her IRA kidnappers, flown to Britain and was living at a ``secret'' hideout in Belfast.

Jean McConville couldn't suffer any more, so for 27 years her children were made to suffer instead. You might think they had suffered enough by being taken into care and separated, even though they were assured they would be kept together. But watching the excavation of a car park in Carlingford as the gardai (Irish Republican police force) search for the bones of their beloved mother, their suffering continues. When will it end?

Jean McConville, the Roman Catholic mother of 10 - abducted from her Belfast home by a 12-strong gang of Sinn Fein IRA thugs � AND MURDERED


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Thats quite a sad story to be honest.

But notice how its not from a neutral standpoint, it was written by a Loyalist reporter. He may have twisted the facts, he may have not. But I'm sure I could find plenty of just as, if not more so, damning stories about the UVF, UDA, RHC, RUC, etc.

ChrisyBhoy is right, It IS a very Sad story, but ALSO, VERY ONE SIDED INDEED. What if the Brits tried to blackmail her into being a spy for them? What if she refused and they started telling everyone that she WAS a brit spy? What if they made her sound like a very bad person to the point of being killed? Sounds like a divide and conquer bit to me. I feel deeply for the children of Jean McConville. I also cant help but think the Brits were behind this somehow.

Once again though, It sounds like our buddy Lance is stirrin it up again.

It is TRULY sad indeed for her children. But, Once again, The British were behind her death. They used that same "Divide and Conquer" method. She was probably blackmailed by the Brits. They Probably used her son that was Interned at the time as "Ransom" for her cooperation. I am sure she was very vocal in her persistance to the RA(trying to let them know without saying directly that she was in trouble) and as any good mother would do, Sacrifice her life for the freedom of her children. Maybe I am a little "One sided", but this whole thing WREAKS of British BULLOCKS.
To the Family of Jean McConville, May your Mother rest in peace, May God look down on all of you and Bless all of you. She was a Brave woman and gave her life for the freedom of Ireland, Not for being blackmailed by the Brits.