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remember Charles Kerins Posted on: Oct 19 2006, 12:42 AM


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QUOTE(Gary Og @ Jul 5 2006, 08:27 AM) *

FAO Spacekitten.

Firstly let me start by saying that nowhere in TW's post does he say that "The Loughall Ambush" was written by Eire Og. He makes the statement in his second post " here is another song by Eire Og" (which incidentally is one of our songs). At no place on this website, or another website, or anywhere else in print or audio will you be able to back up your allegation.

I do not , nor does any other band member claim to write songs that we have not. In fact your mother is credited on the back cover of my cd "Live in Glasgow" as the author of the song Pearse Jordan. If I wanted to dupe people into thinking I wrote the song, why would I credit your mother with the song?

It also seems that you misunderstand how the whole process of copyright works. I cannot steal, even if I wanted to, the copyright of a song that does not belong to me. On no ocassion have I attempted to steal copyright, again another baseless accusation on your part.

The song "Go on Home British Soldiers" was in fact written by a fella named Tommy Skelly who played with the band "South Dublin Union", a very nice man whom I had the pleasure of playing with in Glasgow on a couple of occassions. Again, nowhere have I claimed I wrote this song.

On a final note, let me finish by saying that I have nothing but respect for the "Irish Brigade", their music and songs included. I know each member of the band personally and have done so for a number of years. However, I won't allow you to spread unfounded and un-true allegations against me and my former band mates. Especially without a hint of proof or evidence to back it up.

Best Wishes

Gary Og

having just read this I have to make one or two remarks. One is the fact you only credited maire mcnally with her work after you had been take to task for not doing so. Secondly let me explain the way copyright works the clue is in the word..............the right to copy, did you at any time ask the authors of songs you have recorded permission to do so? as only then do you have the right to copy their work. Thus recording something without permission is stealing copyright. And PS you did on a number of occasions say you wrote
Pearse Jordan, you even told Maire you did and she challenged you in the Brazenhead in front of witnesses for doing so.
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remember Charles Kerins Posted on: Dec 13 2005, 12:37 AM


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QUOTE(vulvabogwadins @ Dec 12 2005, 11:22 AM) *

Things do get sort of prickly when you want to talk about who "owns" a song. Indeed the author should be credited with his work, but does that mean that the listener gives up all rights to that music as well? As music lovers we all have "our songs", those pieces of music that have moved our spirits to finer things and have become a part of who we are. Must we then give up those rights?

A musician writes a song, and then the music, and then pays to have it recorded, pays to cover of CD artwork pays for the CD, I reckon that musician could rightfully say he owns the song, someone uploads it and everyone gets it for free. or better than that someone else downloads it and sells it dirt cheap because they have not had the recording overheads the musician has had to pay!!! who loses their 'rights',? MP3's and
copied tabs are stealing the livelihoods off musicians, as are other musicians who copy and record
without permission or credit, to those whose talent created that peice of music in the first place.
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remember Charles Kerins Posted on: Nov 18 2005, 10:08 PM


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forgive me for jumping in on this discussion but why do yous both believe so called democracy is a good form of government? first of all in democratic voting the government in power is only representative of the
majority who voted, for example, if the voting turnout is 60per cent and the winning party gets 40percent
then 60 percent of the countries population did not vote for that party. How is that representative government? In all so called democracies the 10percent own 90 per cent of the wealth and control media,
communications etc., so how accurately are you informed or more to the point how free is you thinking if the information you are receiving is controlled by the powerful and wealthy who intend to stay that way? THe Brits and the US force the 'wonderfulness'of democracy. wake up and smell the coffee (that the poverty stricken third world supply) DEMOCRACY CANNOT EXIST WITHOUT THRID WORLD POVERTY! sowhats so good about it?
Nationalism is as divisive as it is unifying, apply that and critical analysis of democracy to your arguments
look beyond the ballot box, governments only oversee the buearcratic system that is in place, they cannot change the system with or without the will of the poeple. Therefore the ballot box and socalled democracy are a fallacy. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
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remember Charles Kerins Posted on: Nov 18 2005, 09:50 PM


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QUOTE(Firinne @ Nov 18 2005, 02:10 PM) *

I'm trying this quote thing, and I will probably make a mess of it, but here goes:


QUOTE(WeeIrishDevil @ Nov 18 2005, 03:22 AM) *

Well, Firinne, the IRA have stood down so to speak, but the Loyalists are still going at it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) A vote would be a grand way to settle it if people would stop fighting long enough to go to the ballot box. I, personally, have never really had a problem with the English people, it's their ... erm ... how shall we say this ... political figures? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) I have a few English friends that I'm proud to say are my friends, and the odd bit is, they're wanting to see Ireland reunited. There's others I'm friends with that aren't so, erm, republican? lol But even they agree having their own people in Northern Ireland (see Setanta ... I said it again (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ) isn't a good idea. I've rarely met someone from England that wanted their own fighting to keep the north part of the UK.


I once heard of a woman who went to Saudi Arabia and was speaking to some Arabs about our government. They said "Oh, we don't hate Americans, we just hate their government" to which she replied: "I live in a democracy. The people ARE the government".

As far as I am aware, both the United Kingdom and the Republic of Ireland are democracies as well. They both have elected representatives. I am a very law-respecting person. I think that due process is the only way to handle political problems in modern society. It isn't always perfect, but I believe it's the best system humans have ever designed to maintain order and establish justice. Therefore, I think that voting, electing representatives, and trying criminals in court with fair trials is the only way to establish justice. Anything else is just vigilantism.

I have rarely met anyone from either Ireland, England or anywhere else in the British Isles who wanted anything to do with any of the fighting, to be honest! But this group is interesting, here...you all seem bent on fighting this war and, when I stumble onto the website, I find Americans involved, and people telling ME to get involved too. All I can say is, it would take a lot more than some people on a website to convince me to participate in such a war. I think in truth I'd have to live there to even consider it.

QUOTE(WeeIrishDevil @ Nov 18 2005, 03:22 AM) *
Let me ask you one question though Firinne ... In America, if a foreign country came in and tried to take over your land, tried to take away your church, persecuted your people, took away your rights, broke into your homes and beat you and at one point was able to put you behind bars just on suspicions that were never proven and hold you without trial and such, tax you, take your homes and your land and give them to the people that invaded your land to begin with ... how would most Americans handle that situation? Would they just accept things the way they were and try to go for a vote? Or would Bush (or whoever was president at the time) organise your troops and try to get them off your land? If your home and life and family were threatened, would you stand there and say ok it's all yours now, or would you stand and fight for those you love and the home you grew up in or was raising your weeans in? .


If this happened, today, in America, I would fight. I would also have the entire US military and American population standing behind me, for which I am very grateful.

But, if someone said we could go to the polls and vote against such a thing, I would definitely choose that option over war!

QUOTE(WeeIrishDevil @ Nov 18 2005, 03:22 AM) *
Just my way of getting people to see why some people feel the way they do. Yes, the time they invaded and all those things that they've done started centuries ago and they no longer have internment, but wasn't till many of our people died to get such injustices righted. .


Now, see this is the part where I scratch my head. This leads us back to the Native American issue. We did some pretty heinous things to them...yet now, they are basically part of our culture and heritage, and despite a few clinging social problems (such as alcoholism, whole 'nother can of worms there...) we all get along pretty well here. We have many programs for people with Native American ancestry...for help in starting businesses, going to college, etc. what's in the past is over and done with, we aren't leaving and they have accepted this for better or worse. The world would be a vastly different place now if we hadn't taken over here, but who knows whether it would have been better or not. If it hadn't been the British who colonized the east coast of the US, it probably would have been the Spanish or French instead...things would be radically different now had that been the case, too. You can't rewrite history.

Again, if I am overstepping my bounds here I apologize. But in my humble opinion, the problems in Northern Ireland appear to be a repetitive digging up of old bones.

Many people have died throughout history to get many different injustices righted. Many others have died for no logical reason whatsoever. My question is, where does it end? At what point do you say "enough is enough" and look ahead rather than behind?


QUOTE(WeeIrishDevil @ Nov 18 2005, 03:22 AM) *
Even today though, it's really difficult to take everything to the ballot box. I don't know about you Setanta, but some people have been threated while at the ballot box, they were intimidated and so didn't vote at all. Then, what's even worse are those that refuse to based on the fact that they don't think our voices will even be heard. Simply put, if you aren't a part of it and you don't make your voice heard by voting one way or another, then I don't think you have the right to complain.


If that's true, then it should be fixed. Everyone should have an equal right to a vote, especially in a European country with a democratic government.

QUOTE(WeeIrishDevil @ Nov 18 2005, 03:22 AM) *
The other thing I wanted to bring up is the nationality bit. You have Irish blood in you and is grand (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) the distinction that I make is in how it is worded. You are an American, I am Irish. You have Irish ancestory, Irish blood in you, but your nationality is American. Just as you are proud to be an American (or maybe not as some I know aren't) I'm proud to be Irish. Where my blood comes from, I'm not concerned, as I was born and raised at Ireland and so I'm Irish. Setanta is correct in saying that we are all British in the sense of coming from the British Isles. I don't deny that in that sense of the word, which is one of the more, erm, archaic uses for the word. But today, nationality, I chose Irish, but that is my choice, just as Setanta chose his to be British. It isn't the blood that courses through my veins that makes me Irish, even though that helps (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I was born and raised in Ireland, that alone makes me Irish. I can say that others in my family have gone back to see as far back as they could and so far were all from home, but that wasn't going too far back, just to the great kings of Ulster. My blood, no matter what it is comprised of, is Irish. Just as yours, no matter what blood you have, is American. I don't leave a part of me behind as I've done loads of studying about where our people come from, but that isn't all there is to it. We can all pick apart our blood and say this or that, but the point is, we all have choosen our nationalities, and mine just happens to be Irish (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) My problem isn't at an individual level, it is on a political level. Most of the people in Scotland, Wales, England, Ireland, N. Ireland, and all those wee widdle islands surrounding us, are good people. I don't have a problem with any of the people in general. I'd be more than happy to share Ireland with neighbours, if it was ours again and the military that is occupying our land was out and those that want England to be in Ireland, well, they can go back home. As Patrick said, I've loads of patience. I didn't used to have any, but in time I'm learning and I think I'm doing a good job. I really used to be quite the hardliner. That was more because of revenge, hatred, animosity that had built up over incidents that happened to me and those I loved with all my heart. I've recently been able to forgive certain people for things that happened to me, but there's some people I'll probably never forgive and that's not a good thing, but least the anger and the hatred is placed with those individual people and I don't tend to think of all the people from the same place as being same as them.


I am very proud to be an American. If I weren't, I would leave and find something that suited me better.

Revenge and hatred can fester in a person, they do equal if not more damage to the person who gives than to the one who receives, often. I am glad to hear you've let that go. What's the quote...to err is human, to forgive, divine..? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

QUOTE(WeeIrishDevil @ Nov 18 2005, 03:22 AM) *
As I said, just think of things in terms of if this happened to you, or your country, what would you and/or your country do and would you think it right and support it or would you support another country coming in and taking over your land? Your country basically fought the English for control over America and won. The thing is, some people are still fighting in Ireland because it is our land that was taken away from us and some won't rest till it is back to being our land. Just as I'm sure most of those capable in the states would fight any other country that came in and tried to do the same to them. Your nationality is based on the fact that you fought for that land and won, we are the same in that respect. The only difference is, that all you started out with the English and turned against them for the chance to have your own country, whereas we had our own country and tried to defend it.


The reasons for the Revolutionary war in this country were complex. "Taxation without representation" is the main theme of the reason behind the war. But that was a very different time in history. And now, the British are one of our closest Allies. To me, that's a good thing...we are both able to look ahead as nations and not dwell on past grievances.

QUOTE(WeeIrishDevil @ Nov 18 2005, 03:22 AM) *
If you think I'm being hard on you for what you said, I'm not. .


Ditto. I hope my tone here is respectful, because as I said before, I feel that it isn't really my place as an American to tell people in Europe how to solve their political problems.

QUOTE(WeeIrishDevil @ Nov 18 2005, 03:22 AM) *
I don't expect those that haven't been in the same situation to understand why we feel the way we do, and I certainly don't expect someone that doesn't even know the terminology to understand why. I'm just trying to explain it the best way I can and I don't mean to offend you with it or sound like I'm, erm, being .... mean? but the only way to get someone who's never been in the same situation to understand is to try to put them in our shoes. Perhaps you'll understand better, then again perhaps you won't. Setanta is rare in how he feels about his Irish culture, as most that are unionist aren't as culturally adept. Most of them claim their British side, but they will deny their Irish heritage even if they were born in Ireland. They would be the ones to leave their big toe behind (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Except Setanta (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) Anyhoo, see, I told you I was wordy lol


Again, I can't imagine what life is like over there, I have visited but not been there long enough or spoken to enough different people to really understand it. All I can do is throw in my two cents and hope it's taken in the spirit of logical debate. I hold a great deal of respect for those who have strong ideas and are willing to stand up for them.

Hey, WeeIrishDevil...wanna have a contest to see who's wordier? lol

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remember Charles Kerins Posted on: Nov 10 2005, 11:40 PM


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Frank Aiken, was IRA commander of that area during that period, he had a reputation for ruthlessness with his enemies( unfortunately he turned free stater and with deValera and gerry boland murdered Irish republicans
during .ww2.) check out Aiken to find out about more about the IRA activities around that period and maybe killyshandra will come up.
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remember Charles Kerins Posted on: Nov 10 2005, 04:26 PM


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QUOTE(Fanstyg @ Oct 23 2005, 08:54 AM) *

I'll jump in here and post the Gaelic lyrics to Amhr�n na bhFiann, cuz I also want to know the chords of Gary's version. =)

Seo dhibh a ch�irde duan �glaigh,
Cathr�imeach briomhar ceolmhar,
�r dtinte cn�mh go buacach t�id,
'S an sp�ir go min r�altogach
Is fonnmhar faobhrach sinn chun gleo
'S go ti�nmhar gl� roimh th�ocht do'n l�
F� chi�nas chaomh na hoiche ar seol:
Seo libh cana�dh Amhr�n na bhFiann

Sinne Firnna F�il
A t� f� gheall ag �irinn,
buion d�r slua
Thar toinn do r�inig chugainn,
F� mh�id bheith saor.
Sean t�r �r sinsir feasta
N� fhagfar f�'n tior�n n� f�n tr�il
Anocht a th�am sa bhearna bhaoil,
Le gean ar Ghaeil chun b�is n� saoil
Le guna screach f� l�mhach na bpil�ar
Seo libh cana�dh Amhr�n na bhFiann.

Cois b�nta r�idhe, ar �rdaibh sl�ibhe,
Ba bhuachach �r sinsir romhainn,
Ag l�mhach go tr�an f�'n s�r-bhrat s�in
T� thuas sa ghaoith go seolta
Ba dh�chas riamh d'�r gcine ch�idh
Gan iomp�il siar � imirt �ir,
'S ag si�l mar iad i gcoinne n�mhad
Seo libh, cana�dh Amhr�n na bhFiann

Sinne Firnna F�il
A t� f� gheall ag �irinn,
buion d�r slua
Thar toinn do r�inig chugainn,
F� mh�id bheith saor.
Sean t�r �r sinsir feasta
N� fhagfar f�'n tior�n n� f�n tr�il
Anocht a th�am sa bhearna bhaoil,
Le gean ar Ghaeil chun b�is n� saoil
Le guna screach f� l�mhach na bpil�ar
Seo libh cana�dh Amhr�n na bhFiann.

Btw Gary, may I ask what guitarlabel you're playing on? and also, did you receive my last mail?

Sl�n go foill (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Yous all know I presume , that after coming to power Eamonn Delvalera changed the translation of the first line national anthem to Fainna Fail in order to take the mantel of Irish republicanism. many old time or long time republicans sing laochra gael, or laochra fail to distingusih fom the 'free state version. it is of course a matter of choice.
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remember Charles Kerins Posted on: Nov 10 2005, 04:13 PM


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QUOTE(Skibereen @ Nov 9 2005, 04:39 AM) *

QUOTE(Fanstyg @ Nov 8 2005, 04:44 PM) *


The song "The eyes of the IRA" is by Billy Briggs.. Actually I don't know for sure, but when I found it it was tagged Billy Briggs. Add me on MSN if you want me to send it to you. =) [email protected]


Actually, I got it from soulseek, and it's also tagged Billy Briggs (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) but I can't find the lyric anywhere (I can't understand well everything they are saying and all that) - but thanks (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

QUOTE(Fanstyg @ Nov 8 2005, 04:44 PM) *
And for the question about Killashandra..I'd really like to know what happened there also.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)



Yeah, there's got to be someone. I've also tryed some history books, but haven't found it yet.

Killyshandra is in county Louth, as one of th areas close to the border the song I believe relates a successfull skirmish between local republicans and the Black and Tans

Killyshandra is in county Louth, as it is one of the areas close to the border, the song I believe relates a successfull skirmish between local republicans and the Black and Tans, during the war of independence.
such skirmishes were numerous and not always recorded, but the song was wrote by stephen behan, who, through his contacts would probably have had a good contemporary oral history source to the story, that may now be lost.
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remember Charles Kerins Posted on: Sep 28 2005, 12:15 AM


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QUOTE(Setanta747 @ Sep 25 2005, 10:49 PM)
QUOTE(Patrick @ Sep 12 2005, 11:34 AM)
Grateful? I think not <_<  We are trying to ignore you just like Tom. You can stand on your soap box and brag about how straight up the BA has been, but you neglect to brag how they act while 'protecting' the Orange parades in Catholic neighborhoods.
A dollar a bullet, Is that for the plastic ones that the BA likes to shoot innocents with? Seems to me that it is you that needs to do a little reflecting.
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Why would you consider trying to ignore me?

The question was asked about peoples' views.

I am a person.

Also, I am from Belfast. Oglaigh appears to be from Dublin, Charlotte from France, and yourself from the USA. Tom and Paul, I don't know.

Other than Charlotte, I'm the only person to have responded with my views.

You say I neglected to "brag how they act while...". Indeed - I neglected a great many things. But I gave you the view of an Irish person living in Northern Ireland.

What is this about "A dollar a bullet" by the way?
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I am from Belfast, I think the IRAstatement is a terrible and tragic mistake, can the people of ardoyne trust the police to defend them. 30 eyars war and all those deaths
and suffering, and time in jail for nothing. and if anyone can prove to me any
benefit from the so called peace process i would be interested to have it explained. (without the standard rhetoric)
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